The Arrow of Time |
Is time travel possible? What a great question, I’m glad you asked it. The initial problem we have to face is that there is still no consensus between philosophers and scientists of what constitutes time. There are a number of theories and many seem valid at a superficial level, but once we get to grips with the central problem and the concept of time, things start to become blurry around the edge. Something which appears simple, and everyday commonplace, is mired in complexity and apparent contradiction. I’ve had a tentative foray into this particular rabbit hole- check out my musings here and here. My pontifications on the matter are not definitive and I intend to visit the topic once again.
It could be argued that we all travel in time, eventually. But traveling through time as a consequence of getting older is not most folk’s idea/ideal of time travel: this only has meaning at the trivial and jocular level. The question we need to ask is- can we progress in time, both forward and backward, outside the normally accepted frame of time passage? Einstein’s theory of special relativity certainly allows for a form of future time travel due to the realisation that space and time are manifestations of the same thing; space-time. Thus, if you travel in a spaceship at 99.5% the speed of light for a period of 5 years, at least according to your time reference, folk on Earth would age a corresponding 50 years. If you left the Earth in 2020 and returned after a 5-year absence the date on Earth would be 2070 (the so-called, twin paradox). You could argue that this represents a form of time travel due to time dilation. What about the reverse- is it possible to travel back in time? If we consider the arrow of time inexorably moving forward without backward kinks, then the simple answer is an emphatic, probably not. This has not stopped science fiction writers, cosmologists, and theoretical physicists from exploring the possibility. However, just because we can advance a viable theoretical concept this does not necessarily relate to practical reality. Mathematical solutions to the equations of general relativity allow the possibility of backward time travel and several apparently practical solutions have been advanced. I’ll consider two, albeit briefly, of the most interesting ‘time machine’ solutions as there isn’t enough space-time to give an overall summary of all the conceptualised methodologies. Of course, going back in time would reveal a paradox, known as the ‘Grandfather Paradox’. Imagine returning to a time before your grandfather had met your grandmother. Now envisage killing your grandad. The paradox of such a scenario is obvious: now that good old granpappy is dead your father could not exist, and by extension, you would not have been born to go back in time to kill your grandad. There have been several attempts to resolve the paradox. To my mind, however, they raise more problems than they solve/resolve.
The Tipler Cylinder solution: this possible solution involves rotating a very dense and very large cylinder at very high speeds (several billions of revolutions per minute). If this is possible then space-time adjacent to the cylinder will be warped resulting in a causal reality violation (wot dat den?). Any craft close to the cylinder would be in a time closed curve. According to the theory, this would allow the craft to travel back in time. There is one little problemette. I was being disingenuous when talking about the density of the cylinder and its length. The density of the cylinder would have to be stupendously dense: perhaps we could mine superdense neutron stars? Also, it would appear that the cylinder would have to be infinitely long. But, after all, we do exist in an infinite universe, perhaps…….
There have been other solutions based around wormholes. Wormholes are theoretical constructs allowing the connection of disparate regions of space-time. Wormholes could be natural (we have haven’t found one yet) or perhaps man-made. It appears however that for backward time travel exotic particles with negative energy and mass would be required. The artificial option would require huge amounts of energy and the great lamented physicist, Stephen Hawkin, reckoned such a contraption/contrivance inherently unstable and short-lived.
Wormhole of Doom |
One thing rarely mentioned is how we would control these ‘contraptions’ (assuming of course that one of these 'machines' actually worked). There appears no dialing mechanism to set the backward leap in time to a specific period. And where on Earth would our intrepid traveler alight? Mayhap, they would end up in the vacuum of space or on Pluto? Remember both time and space are being warped. I can’t help wonder if clever theoretical physicists are engaged in a little ‘blue sky’ sophistry: perhaps they are using the concept of time travel simply as a means to exercise their intellectual muscle and to devise solutions to intricate and arcane mathematical formulae.
I would like to conclude with a little whimsy. On June 2009, Stephen Hawking (for it is he) set forth a unique party at Cambridge University. An open invitation was given but no one appeared at the allotted space and time. This should surprise no one as Prof. Hawking had sent his invitation after the party had finished (what a scamp!). The invitation, although universal, was particularly addressed to future time travelers. Hawking was not particularly surprised at the none attendance as he had postulated in 1992 that time travel into the past is fundamentally impossible. Nuff said, for now.
The cheap bastard served blue nun wine |
I don't see the paradox as a problem myself. If I go back in time and kill my granddad, it would not affect me. I exist to go back in time because my Granddad was not killed. To go back and kill him would create a tangent in the timeline, without affecting the timeline that I exist in
ReplyDeleteThere is another way to travel through time and affect your past; if you could revert time itself, so rather than travelling through it like on a road, the whole of time would be reset to some point in your past. You could then make a different choice to one you previously did and thus affect the outcome. If you travelled through time and told your earlier self to make a different choice, that would just create a tangent and have no affect on you
As for Einstein’s theory of special relativity, I've always maintained that the man was a moron
I suspect you are referring to the ‘Many World’s Hypothesis’. This theory was put forward to explain some of the strange consequences observed at the quantum level (see double slit experiment). Consider the following scenario: many years ago you ask the love of your life to marry you. Case 1- She says yes and you go on to have a happy married life with two children. Case 2- Although she loves you dearly, she has doubts and says, no. Both of you go on to marry someone else, etc. In a conventional world your life would continue through either scenario depending on your lover’s answer- there would be only one subsequent reality. According to the many world’s viewpoint the world bifurcates at the time of the proposal. If YES, the world continues as to case 1. If NO, the world continues as case 2. The difference though, from the ‘real world’ interpretation, is that now both divergent universes exist. These separate universes will go and split anew depending on decisions made thus form a myriad of real alternate universes existing side by side. As you can see this makes for an infinite reality especially when you factor in other people’s decisions. And yes, if you agree with the many world’s hypothesis this would resolve the ‘grandfather paradox’ for obvious reasons.
DeleteWhile it is true that the ‘many world’s hypothesis is consistent with some of the strangeness which goes on at the quantum level this does not necessarily mean that it is the cause. There may be other explanations out there non-reliant upon ‘many world’s. Of course, it wont do to reject this hypothesis out of hand because it appear counter-intuitive and silly.
I’ll make two observations. To be fair, the ‘many world’s hypothesis’ requires its own post (mayhap two) to skim over the salient issues.
First, where do these external realities exist and why can’t we access them. After all we are dealing with a physical reality not a series of supernatural realms. Why is it that the alternative worlds remain hidden once created? Following on from my first comment, consider this: my second comment relates to the conservation of energy and matter. We understand that matter cannot be created or destroyed. At each reality bifurcation we are duplicating a physical body with all its attributes (and tribulations)- how does this happen?. Is matter being created here in violation of the first law of thermodynamics? I’ll leave it there, for now. Of course, if the world is a computer simulation and we are just code in the programme then my comments/queries can be easily dismissed.
Going with the idea that all choices do actually happen, you wouldn't need to reverse time in order to make a change, you could theoretically travel laterally across different planes of existance to whitness the results of many different choices
DeleteAll the energy that will exist was created during the big bang, but the universe is supposed to be infinate and expanding. Maybe the 'multiverse' is also infinate and expanding and all those realities already exist, just waiting to be moulded by time
Or maybe this is all wrong. Maybe changing the past does not affect the future or create new timelines. It could just be one timeline. I go back in time and kill my Granddad, but that does not affect me because he was killed after I was born, in a perfect single linear timeline. Even though he died in a point in time before I was born, I had to be born to go back and kill him, or it wouldn't have happened. Make sense?
I suppose you are right about lateral travel if you can access those worlds. My argument is that you should be able to as it is part of the natural world. But we can’t- this, to me, is a good reason why the ‘many worlds’ hypothesis is not viable. Could you expand on your last paragraph a bit.
DeleteMaybe we can't, only because we're unable to see the other worlds?
DeleteThink of time in my last paragraph as a straight line:
My granddad is born. After that, my dad is born. After that, I'm born. After that, I time travel. I kill my Granddad. After that, I time travel again. Each of these things happen after each other in my life, as part of one straight timeline going from the past to the future. My dabblings with the past, still happen in my future, so killing my Granddad happens after the point in the timeline where I was born
If time is totally linear, changing the past cannot affect the present or future; cannot affect what has already happened, as it's already happened
Does that make sense?
My point is: if our reality bifurcates every time we make a decision, then we are replicated anew to continue a separate existence. These alternative realities must exist in our realm and not the supernatural. That said, they must be accessible to us in our natural world. But this obviously not the case.
DeleteThank you for taking the time and effort to clarify your point. I had to resort to pen and paper to help my further understanding of your insight. I pontificate thusly: I appreciate your concept of linear time flow. Of course if you kill your poor grandad after your father is born then the ‘Grandfather paradox’ is no more. I suspect that time travel into the past rests in the realm of science fiction. I truly believe that travel into the past is impossible according to the natural ‘law’ of the universe. If this is not the case where are the time travelers?; a few nutters aside, on social media. This is the crux of the matter: To write equations and enlist exotic matter as being in accord with reality is nothing but a charade in the minds of theoretical physicists and mathematicians. Just because you can write it on paper does not make it so. Due to the linear course of time, retreating into the past is not possible. The arguments against back time travel are legion and invoke the gods of entropy and mass/energy. Violate these ‘laws’ at your peril or at least propose a new law of reality that best fits this chaotic universe that we call home.
If I were to believe in time travel, it would be the linear theory rather than the multiverse, but I wouldn't dismiss time travel simply because we have never seen any time travelers. Maybe this rather complex theory applies - If you were advanced and intelligent enough to have invented time travel, would you bother visiting us?
DeleteThe Government would probably lock you up and steal your invention as soon as you arrived. Or some religious whack job would kill you for playing God. Nah, too dangerous and probably a lot more interesting people to visit in our future
Everything about time travel says it has to be impossible, but to dismiss it would also be to dismiss the theories of Einstein that you described in your post, although in my humble opinion, relativity sounds like bollocks
Personally, I think time travel into the past highly unlikely but if we apply scientific principles we can never say impossible. Perhaps in the future some clever physicist will unlock all the secrets of the universe and find a way that we haven't yet considered and invoke particles and energy, as yet, beyond are imagination. There's a bloke on youtube who claims to be from the future. He claims that time travel will be possible in 2028. Let's wait and see...…...
DeleteNo, we shouldn't write anything off, but if they do invent time travel as soon as 2028, I doubt it will just be used by a random bloke to come back a decade and make Youtube videos :-)
DeleteYep, Mr Bucko, you might be right on the button.
DeleteIf you travel through time, you would surely also have to travel through space. To go back 50 years, for instance, you would have to calculate where a specific point would be on the rotating earth at a specific time and date; where the earth would be, orbiting around the solar system; where the solar system would be, orbiting around the galaxy; and where the galaxy would be, orbiting around the universe. I tried to work it out on my Sinclair ZX Spectrum without success. Perhaps I should have connected it to a few more AAA batteries?
ReplyDeleteYes, you are correct. It all comes down to the mechanism of control. I think many physicists are so engrossed with the fundamental possibility of backward time travel that they disregard the fine tuning control involved. How could you adjust the time-space conundrum when using a Tipler cylinder?
DeleteMaybe all that calculation wouldn't be necessary? It would if you were jumping straight from one point in time to another, like in Back to the Future, but do you remember the film, The Time Machine?
DeleteThat time traveller stays in one place as time is reversed around him. If time travel was like a string from one point in time to another and you travelled along that string, you would be taken to the correct place you need to be
I personally believe that both time travel and faster than light
ReplyDeletetravel is not possible. These are the product of string therory and
multiverse dorks who spent too much time listening to the computer
voice of Stephen Hawking.
There are two major issues; The proponents of these theories believe
that all of their theories are based on purely theoretical science that
relies on a Heinz 57 mixture of dimensions and forces. The notion of
time as the fourth dimension was rhetorical.
Let is take the clock paradox as an example. A space ship moving away
from gigantic clock at light speed with a infinately powerfull telescope
would observe the clock standing still. I get that, but let's assume
you are god or a god and could observe both objects with his (call it
universal time) would not see it that way.
I hate to break the bad news about Hawking. He was vegitable for the
last decades of his life. There is no way that he could have written
his books, given lectures, or engaged in Q&A sessions with a cheek
controlled binary input device. This is a product of his grad students
using something called facillitated commucations, something that was
debunked years ago. He could not compose a book in his condition if
he took 100 years.
Newton established the basics, and Einstein built upon Newton. The
trouble with these theories is that rely on a ton of unproven dimensions
and forces. In science, there is never a quantum leap that goes from
a to z bypassing the steps required to prove a theory.
I once wathced a video of one these guys who stated that Einstein's
Grand Unified Theory is provable if given (I cannot remember the
numbers) but it was something like 9 dimensions and 11 forces, all
of which are unproven. I wanted yell at the TV and scream, If you
arlready have the answer, prove it!
It is like those archeologists who find fragments of a monkey skull in
Africa and proclaim they found the transitional species (AKA missing link.)
what if the transitional species was much more recent? What if Humans
are from the same tree, but not the same branch? If one is looking
in the wrong places or times one will never solve the problem. It is like
the old joke about why did the cowboy have crap on his moustache?
To me, these are Young Turks trying to make a name for themselves without
building on those who came before them. It is like AGW theorists who
reject the single most important factor (that big glowing orb of gas
92.9 million miles from Earth.) I spent 8-10 hours every Saturday
at the public library wolfing down back issues of Scientific American
and popular science. For fun, I memorized the entire planetary tables
over a weekend just to impress my junior high science teacher.
Too much of science these days has been polluted by the likes of
Michael Mann, Bill Nye the Kiddie Show Guy, Al Gore and the man hating
feminist rug munching women's study proffessors who yanked 40 or 50
alternatitive genders out of their rectal orifices. I love science, and
it makes me weep for the future of my favorite subject. My all time
favorite was a Psychologist whe explained that our phobias of reptiles
were the resulted from our contact with megafauna (dinosaurs) from
prehistoric times that was transmitted by "genetic memory,) a concept
that make the Cardiff Giant and the Piltdown man look like settled
science.
Hi Leonard, good to hear from you. Looks like Mr Green has gone AWOL again- tis a great pity.
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